What I liked was the fact that the museum seemed to be very active despite the fact all the exhibits are static. They are actively working on the restoration of their JU88, Condor and HS126 and they have working displays of undercarriage, a working link trainer and other hands on exhibits which make the place seem quite dynamic as opposed to a museum in which the exhibits sit around getting dusty and decripit. I also liked the display of two different sides of the coin when it comes to restoration where they have two Bramo 323 Einspritzpumpe, one in NOS condition and one in ground dug condition, it is a simple but excellent display
HS126 awaiting restoration


Was thrilled to get up close and have a poke around a 003! Too bad it wasnt in a 162!

The display I liked of the Einspritzpumpe

Pinnacle of engineering excellence!

Last bit of 290

Although not particularly interested in Russian Aircraft I enjoyed seeing this next to the Stuka

Thanks for the replies everyone, It’s a shame its a repro though I was living in hope they had been doing a secret restoration! It does amaze me the number of aircraft they have in such a small space especially considering the aircraft part is about 100 feet up at the top of the new building! Another big question is where is the Condor going to live when it’s completed, not much room for it up there!

Anything mechanical will last longer if it is used.If maintained properly and run to well within limits engines will last.
I believe that all depends on how frequently it is run. There is a rather sobering AAIB report that deals with this issue and as another example I think WR963 has also had to have pre-oilers fitted due to excessive wear from infrequent running (please correct me if i’m wrong)
Thanks for the opinions everyone! Personally I am an advocate for ground running historical types as long as it is done without detriment to the aircraft involved, I am glad to hear that the running was done properly but on a personal level still not totally convinced cutting the props of the 410 was worth it, how many 1000’s of people have viewed that aircraft since then and thought that is how it is supposed to look! I am still of course very envious that I wasn’t there to view the runnings too!
James I have to admit you have the better of me as I know very little about you, perhaps you can inform me by pm!
Matt
Could anyone give us some detail on the engine runs that were carried out in the 80’s on the 410 etc?
I haven’t heard any hard information about these runs other than seeing one or two photos on the internet and seeing some people say they took part in it. It seems a terrible shame that the 410 in particular had less than adequate treatment, (shaved props, cooling from a fire hydrant) if the aircraft had to be cooled by a fire hydrant then it sounds as though it had not had the necessary care required to have it running correctly.
Personally I get worried just leaving my car standing idle for a few days without running it, it fills me with horror thinking about waking up a motor that hasn’t been run for 50 odd years without carrying out a proper inspection and strip down as would be required unless you were happy to accept the damage that may occur from sludged up oil pathways, perished seals, dry bearings and perished diaphragms, not to mention the accumulated crud and debris in the oil and coolant lines after 50 years of sitting around. I have played with 70 year old German oil, hoses and original German leather/muslin diaphragms and seals that have sat around for 70 years and I would not run an engine without thoroughly inspecting and satisfying myself that it would be safe to run the engine without causing more harm than good.
Is there anyone out there who can dispel my impression that these runs did more harm than good? Or was proper care taken to ensure the future preservation of the engines? At least there should be some film documenting what these superbly rare aircraft sounded like while running, if not then what was the point??….
Was it worth cutting the blades and possibly damaging these rare aircraft just so a couple of people could see them run in the 80’s or is it another case of the bad old days? I wonder??
Please some one dispel my views!
Ohh I remember a good one for you, in situ and not likely to be recovered

shack 1716
Surely the answer is to contact these guys and observe one of their recoveries, I take it you are looking more for a complete aircraft for the public to look at rather than bits, if so this is my bet, there site doesnt show it all but they do the lake recoveries in America and have been pulling up complete warbirds for a few years now!
http://www.atrecovery.com/Pages/Airplanes.htm
if you interested in Luftwaffe then take your pick…
http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/axis-2.html
Although not in situ anymore the norwegians could give you a run for their money with their numerous JU88 and HE111 recoveries and subsequent restorations. Interesting stories and some of the best wrecks ever!
The large access panel has the Gerate number for a servo motor. !
Someone was asking about that recently, was it on this forum? I think I recognise some panels from ebay
Bruce,
I hope there was some pleasure in those 6 years!
Having had a look on the vintage radials site again (where the video from July comes from) it looks like it is the same motor as is on Paul Allens machine as shown on the Vintage V12’s site, so I suppose vintage V12’s and Vintage radials are one and the same.
Edit as their addresses are both Tehachapi I suppose this is correct!
Lovely photo! I’m a bit mixed up on these motors at the moment, I know theres someone on here who might be able to straighten things out a bit though (cough Bruce cough). So vintage radials have white ones motor and have run it, (the video we saw in july?) and Paul Allens 801 has been restored by Vintage V12’s and has been running recently, is this correct?
Matt
That was a great thread and an incredible effort, must admit I wouldn’t do it though, the thought of an engine failure after take off scared me even from home!
lol, good luck!
Someone needs to try an air producer on to an airmotor and see how that goes! I haven’t seen any jet karts that are really that impressive, like Pagen says they’re ok but a kart with a small car or motorcyle engine are far faster, responsive and practical! However having said that jet dragsters on the other hand are pretty impressive!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IElZqKdgL0E
The Nimbus powered Krugtech van is impressive too.
Heres one of one our engines during testing, it was not totally set up so lots of untidy wires and missing one exhaust at that time but its closer to complete now. The flames are a visual treat from waking up a long dead engine for the first time and we don’t get that anymore, the engine also now runs up to normal idle and is quite impressive when its running fully!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybulUmdn2LI
and when it was starting to settle down a bit and light off better